Why Americans Are less elegant than Europeans

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Why Americans Are less elegant than the Japanese Europeans.
I mean the style in clothing, but the same question could be asked about the taste of architecture, interior design and other areas of blog by a person of fashion.
1 greater average distance to a major fashion center of both physical and cultural distance.
2 less urbanization of these items 1 2 were perhaps more important in the past.
3 distance from Europe and some of the relevant European leaders emigrate style.

4 different signaling is greater internal cultural diversity and the lowest class distinctions; male clothing needs to be less gay and more conventional.
5 no relation to the late flowering US visual art and music on the world stage.
6 US is more informal in style and has been an influential exporter of informal styles that doesn t undermine the general point about the difference of style.
related matters are there American economists fashionable i d be particularly interested in this dress as artists or literary intellectuals.
1 From a male hetero 12 September 2012 in 1 hour 45 minutes.
As for the style of economists Chris Blattman looks pretty damn sexy in her blog photo.

From someone who has lived on both sides of the Atlantic 7 4 different lower coefficient of Gini in Europe led to more difficult to state signal and pulling women dress well is much more important as a signal, including brand and style that I am able to place Europeans immediately in their class based on the dress it is much more difficult in the US you can see the same thing in car brands, which in Europe, cars are a inexhaustible source of conversation and the car you drive defines you in the United States, at least where I live, a car is usually just an 8 variance transportation in the United States is much higher in the style of dress, but also the architectural style Are we not talking about aesthetic variance or homeogeneity here instead of aesthetic quality.
But most important, I think 9 Much more deference to the European authorities and the leaders of European intellectuals have a much greater influence than American intellectuals, and the same is true for leaders dress.
So how are the Europeans also into debt to buy land rovers and as as Americans clothes and cars seem like very poor signals because they're what the poor spend all their money Sure, I guess the question is which is a better signal and I do not know.
Hmm I'm not sure I agree with the comment about cars least not for some immigrant groups The car you drive is a huge problem between Desis and Caribbean Even in New York You do not want to be a male Desi looking for a woman without a tower that indicates high professional accomplishment and certainly you do not want to be using the bus in a metropolitan area where the norm is to drive to work, I think it is the same among Middle Easterners Hispanics and maybe the first three groups are too small to affect the national trend and too many Hispanics are unable to afford a car.
Let me second dissenting opinion on car signals the US I do not know where lives m ad, but almost everywhere I've lived in us the car you drive is a fairly large indication your liking economic situation I am sure that in some immigrant groups it his thing too, but I really think we culture is a huge cultural snob car, even if the majority has poor taste in cars.

I guess I have no real proof, but I still see poor driving expensive cars, so unless this his Ferrari I really have no idea if someone has a nice car or money no, and anyway, can you tell what year model, it is that if the person bought used.
In the US, obesity is a large signal steady expansion in both directions lower average proletarian class lower Being obese, it is inherently difficult to dress elegantly.
You have much more attractive in good physical shape where people of the lower class in Europe so I find it more difficult to tell the class in Europe for this reason.
The United States are a Puritan Protestant Protestanism country focuses on internal values ​​of a person more catholicsm.

Um No Go to a bar in America every night and you will find women dress far from Puritan.
Fred could refer to an unobserved variable that explains both a leaning towards Protestantism and a tendency to be less fashionable.
Nick, you're right or you can be wrong, but citing some exceptions do not refute a generalization.
Sure, but the same is true to the original statement that I make a jump, but it seems the original implication is Protestant dress least because it goes against their religion the way I see very little evidence of that in America.
HRM, as a Catholic, I accept this thesis, I guess I'm much more attractive than you Proddies.
In my experience, Yankee is, New England, and parts of the United States established by the diaspora New England as the pre-silicon valley SF Bay Area, has a kind of Protestant dowdiness, namely dilapidated old clothes , I always assumed was a Calvinist.

However, I also noticed in the Lutheran belt of northern Germany, Scandinavia and Estonia I guess these are the two varieties of Protestantism.
The parts of the United States established by Italians and Jews, for example, non-Protestants to say, the Mid-Atlantic, New York, South Florida, and the Persians and Armenians LA of today ' hui and the Russians in New York are much more flashy and conscious label, what I would talk like a bad taste Protestant.
Traveling in Italy I saw the Italians as flashy and label-conscious, but somehow not sticky, they can teach their American cousins ​​a lesson never been to Russia, Armenia, Iran, Israel, etc. for comparison.
American culture at least the 20th century Westerns, Rock-n-Roll freshness class above the vanity, and while they sometimes go together, stylishness always risk seeming gay especially if you're not cool enough to draw, and gay is cool antonym when an American woman, no matter how it may be politically liberal wants to insult the style of a man, she said often that the gay air.

In fact, American women generally think that gays dress better men than heterosexual men, I think you're an American woman confused with a hockey player in high schools.
The concept of style is not quite controversial what extent individuals meet consciously held and cabinets to create an attractive appearance may be consciously cutting consciously against culture, consciously casual appealing decisions or consciously professionals Conscious and compromise which suggest that the contribution of clothing to appearance are somehow value.
I totally agree, I'm sure Bob has a concept of this style, but so do many Americans Many people can tell the mark of a plaid shirt 40 feet away buttons or subtle differences in the pocket This old someone shirt the door may have taken countless trips to thrift stores can often guess what kind of person like bars of their shoes How many of these European ideas from a mixture of grunge Seattle the art scene in New York.
I think our legacy of greater military successes compared to LOL France Italy, plays a role, in that military personnel wear uniforms and abjure individualized style.
Your consciousness that France and Italy were up succesess soldiers dig for hundreds of years before law exist.
You know that Italy did not exist before 1800 Romans maybe.

I am aware of a doctoral marketing student of Italian third cycle in the United States who studied the distribution of foreign-based style magazine pictures and the United States and traced changes through conscious style in the network US distribution is in both directions, especially with young urban styles are copied from the United States the person who looked clothing, handbags and shoes he also considered the Asian influence that had an affect European design which is European style manufacturers designed for Asian and European markets, and are sensitive to trends or Asian sensibilities.
Why or if the Europeans are more stylish can be a factor which alternatives exist to be a peacock In the US, we have a car culture; in Europe, less because you have to find parking and there is a greater urban density with narrow roads less urban car infrastructure, less parking, old towns in Europe, men dress more impressive than men United States; Therefore, women potential partners escalate their dressing as is the mode of competition and attraction.
But Europeans say their cars are more elegant.
Ted He cars can be more elegant The point is that male competition does not center around cars, but clothing and appearance.
What proportion of men in Europe can buy a Porsche course, some men in Europe can buy Porsches, but that is the modality of competition among men for women so few men can buy Porsche How are dressed over how to use the competition cars and where you park.

In men who lead Europe BMW getting more action than the men who drive Porsches Men who drive Porsches are prissy My mother drives a Porsche, I consider it female.
To give an example, the differences in the style of dress of men, our European office firm has had a difficult time introducing casual Friday in his office in Brussels they could not be seen by a customer in shirtsleeves and without a coat it should be explained that this was an option, not an obligation, to rescue the well dressed which focused on their traditions.
Heh if I met a customer wearing a suit and tie, I'd be afraid they wouldn t take me seriously as a Silicon Valley engineer is undoubtedly his own world in this respect, I think shorts, t-shirt and means checkerboard Vans no guess your qualifications.
It is beyond me why anyone would wear a watch in 2012.
You wear a Patek Philippe or what to report to the ladies, I can afford to spend on this watch.

In addition, these watches are damn fine pieces of engineering that you should appreciate.
The watches are also great to check the time quietly, especially when dealing with annoying people, especially when you do not want to offend them by pulling your phone that is so obvious and sometimes heavy.
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No one who has seen the average Renault could take this argument seriously.
The Avantime makes the Pontiac Aztek look sexy ass-tastic The Twingo Clio is craptacular.

The cars of the 100 series and 200 Peugot like Hondas small budget of yesteryear You know, those that Motor Trend mocked mercilessly Eg Honda Quaalude.
There are some good looking cars at the top end, but I would say that once you get into the price range of Cadillac, you would be wrong for the European car that is more elegant, at least 1 to 15 range of price.
On some cars, you could not be more wrong in some countries E, the car is paramount, in Eastern Europe the most Yes, for a few decades, European cars were more stylish, because it is a market for Europe is not a car culture you are Europeans think enlightened way, as many Americans believe that they are more educated After all, Top Gear went to the United States of Europe, and not the reverse.
Where do when you live in an apartment and there is the metro at your door to park a car in a major European city.
AT, I do not dispute that the cars are not a method of men's competition, but, given the urban density and alternative methods of transportation, I still doubt it is a primary method of competition, and therefore competition would proceed along different lines.
Question 1 in Paris, London, Berlin and Madrid, if you go on a date 1 you get in your car to get your date to take her to the destination where you park the car; 2 Go to his place and take public transport or a taxi to the event; 3 meet at the event, after the two you take a taxi or public transport.

Question 2 How often you take your time in the country on a tour of joy instead of staying in the city and do not use a car.
Question 3 How many of your living expenses rent, food, etc. is a car and do you use public transport or car to get to work.
Another question What is the median age of male first time car buyer and what is the level of income of the buyer.
You get to take two and choose your score, and I issue a certificate at the end.
You are right, in dense cities, cars are not used as often as in rural areas, however, the two exist in Europe Townspeople often use other means of signaling state that having a luxury car rather the apartment you live in is normally used indicator.

BTW related to cars, the Swiss have an interesting way of signaling state instead of buying an overpriced car, they buy too expensive license plate The fewer digits, plus a good number plate four figures in a populated area code easily cost over 10 000 CHF is as short domain names in Internet When you see a three-digit or even license plate in double figures, you can assume that it was more expensive than car good thing is that it corresponds to the Swiss culture, because you can report the state in a way that does not waste anything luxury resources is consumed, and it provides deniability bragging that the license plate was inherited and been in the family for a long time.
The Swiss are not the only ones to design such a system of registration low number plates also figured in state wars over Massachusetts, as in the contest between the Irish and James Michael Curley Brahmin ie Anglo-Protestant Henry Lee Higginson.
Also, don t get New Yorkers started on the value of a phone area code 212.
In the US, the style is unique and personal mass produced and sold in volume.
After all, anything done with great American local labor is too expensive, the contract so that in Asia or Africa to reduce costs by 1, and then sell it for 100, but then mark down a week later at 50, because a million units to be sold, and 20 in a box store and then to 10 in an exit, and 5.

In Europe, they just do not understand how it is best to outsource all in Asia and Africa and insist on low volume single local production, leaving copied by the Americans who produce high volumes mass after cutting costs, because after all, style is for single use and should not waste money on quality.
1 the cost of European labor is more or less the same as the workforce of the United States, if not more, due to higher taxes and the costs of regulatory compliance.
2 most European brands have outsourced most production in Asia.
3 there is a lot of mass produced cheap clothing in Europe.
My vote is an American preference for practical reasons and therefore reject coquetry.
I work in the design field of architecture, and I can say for certain that Americans successfully even rich business people are just against the style in the abstract It has no value and is therefore not worth the expense These are people who are sophisticated enough to know good style and are well traveled.

The typical American receives no value in the style or art and it seems to be a conscious choice where I can see and I have worked in many US regions.
This is what the former editor of Consumer Reports David Champion, an Englishman, said on cars the Europeans are more concerned with style than functionality.
Europeans are more concerned about the style features like style of driving an hour on the autobahn 150 mph but perhaps a case where form follows function.
But note that the British are less elegant than the Europeans, and most of the proposed explanations are wrong for Britain.
Yes Latinos are much more stylish than the Germans, it is true.
A-25 bottom of the Italian middle class on a motor scooter is far more elegant than its counterpart in Germany or Britain, to say nothing of the US shudder.

2 The belief that America is the greatest nation in the world and has nothing to learn from other countries, it was true after World War II and was slow to fade Americans don t imitate European styles Europeans and other peoples imitate the American style, it was the American mass culture that is prevalent in the world, although this seems to have been less the case in recent years.
3 An anti-aristocratic bias in the American ideology, which hardens after World War II because of factor 2 communist countries that celebrate the proletariat are not known for their vanity I realize the Soviet Union at times was an exception since differs from the American ideology to that of Communist Russia and Communist China, it celebrates the kulak But the idea is basically the same, the nation is centered culturally around the class average and these people are as they are and don t need to change their style, elites must meet them.
I'll note before World War II, American tastemakers paid much more attention to what is happening in Europe there was a desire to build US cities they were as beautiful as Paris Walk around the cities neighborhoods which were built in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and where architecture survives, and you can see.
Moreover, stylistically, Latin America seems to take much longer after Europe after the United States, although most of my experience has been in the major cities.
Most Soviet-style, where he had not been actively ugly, or very dated appearance socialist realism, was the military mode, the post-WW2 generation, Nazi bed So despite our glorification of military things we do did not our military more elegant look, nor the military styles permeate the broader culture until camouflage escaped in the mass culture.

After World War II America has nothing to learn from other countries.
Those who think that the Europeans have more style than Americans I suppose they mean the gift of the United States seems t have been in England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Serbia, Slovenia, Albania, Romania, Poland, Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine .
And Japan has the author ever in Japan Clothes are bland, and the exterior architecture could be the worst in the world.
Rubbish I live in Eastern Europe, and had an American friend amazed at how many people buy expensive cars, they can afford and how women don t go out in a single stroke, without make-up and a nice outfit.
1 Buying a more expensive car than you can afford makes you stupid, not elegant 2 dress up in a nice outfit to go out is not a stylish person if it did, America would be the nation elegant Sundays.

Buying a more expensive car than you can afford makes you stupid, not elegant.
The aren t mutually exclusive attributes puritanical American that I am, I always just assumed they're positively correlated.
The American term referring to nationalities always refers to the US people the only time it could be confusing if you are referring to people in both South and North America at the same time what happens almost never.
Clearly Norman Pfyster has never been to Germany, Austria, Poland, Russia, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands or Serbia I guess it boils down to a matter of taste .
But I'm here lived in Germany and Switzerland and traveled elsewhere Sorry bust your assumptions if this is all a matter of taste, the original message is meaningless.

For the most elegant economist, I nominate Sam Peltzman hands utmost care on the dresser in the profession over the last fifty years.
In addition, it has excellent taste in football teams Go Barca.
All that is the elephant in it is relevant room to suppose that a man who wears the perfume is automatically matically fay.
Calahan He is the eternal paradox Look what we're seeing.
All ohhhhhh Gay or European, it is difficult to secure is it gay or European.

Vivian You see they bring their different boys in the friendly foreign ports They practice individual sports.
All shirts in bright and gay little shorts or abroad Fella The answer could take weeks, they will say things like ciao bella while they kiss you on both cheeks.
For the hair length and color, clearly justin wolfers for sensitivities manhattan midtown businesses, probably dombisa Moyo for 19 British bureaucrat-chic century jeff sachs for mr down-home rogers Sunday, paul romer for facial hair well its broad sectoral colossal failure, im confused.
Kevin Tsui down in Clemson for the most elegant economist.
Uh, not that I'm an economist or anything, but economists does sometimes look at prices does price play a role here in all I'm not saying he does, just asking if someone one has price data When I lived in London, and later in Milan, and I asked this question, I was told by women, so I maybe 8 data points, which ain t pretty little course that clothing of European women is quite expensive compared to the clothing of American women, leading them to buy fewer items that had look nicer than rafts cheap things to me Beats if it is still correct distance, but I'm making the general point that we might want to at least investigate the price.

average body fat higher in America than average and median times compared to Europe and especially Japan.
Europeans and especially Japan are seen by far more often new people each day traveling on public transit to school work vs. Americans driving to the office and see the same group of people most of the time you want to put your best face forward especially when other people are as well.
In Japan and Korea, there is a kind of code of honor that says if you wear a suit to work, you care about your work are a conscientious employee and you also point out that you have a decent job, white collar significantly raised formally or jobs done REQUIRE you to wear suit tie that Europe, which has more REQUIRED suit tie jobs than the United States as of total employment.
Really if blacks are less elegant is your first point is the demonstration of fat in the United States.

Or use the elegant and guffaw inducing equivalent.
It is bimodal Urban ith black underclass is morbidly obese and completely irrelevant to the self-presentation of unparalleled e i so great wear baggy gray suits at any and every opportunity.
But a cut of that, you start to see much higher spending on fancy clothes and shoes.
The premise of the question is false Americans are no less elegant than the Europeans more people follow the Americans styles such as e g Jay-Z but to follow the styles of Europe e g Yves Saint Laurent.
It is along the space must store things, including clothes Americans are used to living in large spaces with plenty of room for their stuff human beings whether American or European fill whatever the space they have with tricks This is true regardless of how much money or room, they have a larger space requires Americans stretched their dollars a little more finely consumption in all consumer categories to accommodate natural nesting instinct of Americans define value as the ratio of amount of physical things cost of this stuff Europeans having less space, set the value by using more non-volumetric qualities of the substance, for example, how something looks a US soon buy 10 shirts ugly with some kind of crazy fruit pattern on them as 2 elegant shirts at the same total cost same an American would rather buy a big plate of food that tastes like horse manure than paying the same amount for better taste, much smaller meals but enough.

Because Americans outside a few cities only charge not give a shit what the world thinks of them literally over America doesn t care about fashion.
America is the tallest building in the world FACT.
Many Americans care very little style and are more concerned about other qualities Maybe is good.
Some cities like Milan just oozes style So many small details of life are as effortless style but many cities in Europe, particularly in elegant aren t remote Eastern Europe and are completely tone deaf to any kind of sense of fashion.
Yes Warsaw Germans razing historic distric abominable ground tend to do so.
Is it just the U S or all Anglo-Sphere, I do not think Canadians, Britains, Australians and New Zealeanders much differently we dress excluding climatic differences.

I think that young Britons are certainly aware of fashion only when they find that no matter what they are teething problems and give them their evil age, they give up.
I think it's a little more interesting to limit the issue a little more than why Europeans aged over 30 more stylish than older Americans over 30 Most teens and young adults are elegant depending on what what culture they're a part of, but why so much just by older Americans a kind of give and default to a low quality, slightly less flattering a uniform, I think it could be influenced by worship all the busyness theory I'm too busy to follow something as unimportant as a way of refinement requires a bit of free time to do properly, you should be well informed about what is elegant, where to get it, and this is a good price, then you have to know what is a good option for you All this takes time If you think how you present is trivial, you visually won t take the time of e do, you might actually start to take pride in your jeans and your mom before Dockers Pleated sorry guys, no love more those as they don t allow a narrower size, add bulk where you have need less because they're a sign of your commitment to more important things.
Or you just get busy, get style and are too intimidated to do the work to understand what you should or you gain weight and Research takes stressful for you to avoid and often weight gain can be traced to the problem busyness also.
One theory among others, I agree with most of the ideas in this thread.

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For an example of i m too busy important to take care to see the uniform Steve Jobs Paul Graham wrote about this IIRC it didnt it should.
I would add that there are significant conformist pressures in both former British colonies US Can Aus New Zealand and mainland The difference is that, in Paris and in Rome trying to imitate elite tastemakers; Des Moines we try not to be a big poppy wise fashion.
Another spin on the issue of age at some point, many Americans grow up and realize that fashion is a silly game of Simon says.

I think this is a major explanatory factor, I would say that the question of age is a combination of what you describe I would summarize as, if I work in an office where my evil colleagues and even my supervisors or clients dress most of the worst time I do it, why should I spend time and money on work clothes to fashion and to the convergence of business and casual wardrobes, work clothes fashioned lead to outmoded clothes in general, and marital status.
I also think that the lack of proximity of metropolitan fashion centers is an important factor that I used to live in DC, and I had all kinds of options downtown, or in Georgetown or in most pleasant suburbs and DC is not yet particularly fashionable, cities will now that I'm in grad school in a rural area, my clothes start to wear, I'm not even sure where I can get fashionable clothes, unless I either buy online risky with lots of clothes or allocating large proportions of my scarce time on rare trips to the big cities to buy clothes.
Well, I think the major problem is the sampling and try to compare like with like Europeans traveling dress and money to a certain level and aesthetic and many will say that this aesthetic style is preferable to a US many European brands of luxury cosmetic tend to form around and materials compared to more business or preppy chic Many good reasons discussed above why this might be the case and I think fair to say that, in general for style similar status groups means more to the Europeans not to be put together, say with baggy suit, old man jeans etc. is a statement about you, your status and how much you care change in the United States but also to the dragged.
But simply to travel to Europe to see the different socioeconomic groups do not support a European-style as we understand Many hard and bad clothing is seen in every small town and village Whether their own unique on eurotrash nerdy clothes or very bad versions of American style that I can have the polo player logo a little bigger and on both arms please.

One of the biggest differences I witness constant is the use of color in different countries.
I'm from California, my wife is from Germany, and we live in New Jersey and Pennsylvania met None of us are afraid to use color However, my palette is much more saturated than hers; his was much more pastel It's a great picture of our families when we married, and color differences were highly clear, however, we could both laugh at the uniform east coast dark gray or black blue brown Penn staters.
In the 90s, my wife complained that all American businessmen wore dark suits, white shirts and red ties I turned around and said all Germans wore blue shirts and yellow ties She grabbed a German magazine to prove to myself and failed.
But, yes, I traveled around in the hometowns of many Europeans, and of course, there are many bad fashion It doesn t get airplay, because, well, who wants to watch it.
Are there any elegant heavy people, American or European.
Oh no, why suburban buyers wal-mart less elegant than the 20-somethings walking in Paris when I visit, I'm so confused also, why are middle-aged Americans in suburbs where I live so much fat that young hanging in nightclubs in London How is it possible that I am so confused why the most interesting attractions in a foreign country are more impressive than my suburban environment every day in my home country, I can only conclude that my country is radically deficient in some way.

Well, and lack of dryers and increased ironing.
It is not only a selection bias I pass CBS Studios in the San Fernando Valley and the production assistants and starlets budding working there are relatively bland clothing, utilities compared to students of Japanese high schools coquettishly dressed in Japanese boarding school located nearby.
Your comment makes me think that many people talk to each other here because they're mentally elegant set of two very contradictory way.
1 With a deep understanding and trust who you are and an innate understanding that clothing, cars, buildings, etc. improve and your innate individual strengths This kind of style is both timeless and effortlessly A person who has the will be different from others in his company, even those of the same age and class, but almost exactly the same as its future past self.
2 Adapting the look and purchasing choices rapidly and repeatedly to reflect the rapidly changing trends in dress, technology, architecture, etc., even if these trends do not flatter anyone iE skinny jeans fatter or more muscular, a pixie They seek not only to spend real money and make a real effort on appearance, but also to make it very clear to all observers that the money was spent and efforts These people will look almost identical to friends who live the same life, but quite different in ten years or perhaps even a year.

I know the kind of Japanese teenage twentysomething smart you are talking about and they are clearly elegant in the second direction, so half of the readers will be nodding right with you while others will wonder why you feel stylish at all.
Many reviews are like that we have to define the terms.
Japanese children wear all kinds of crazy things like schools Goth Lolita style - when they are not enrolled in school, and they wear seifuku gakuran uniforms.
But all the Japanese office men wearing uniforms of all sorts black navy or black suits with white shirt and subdued tie and gray suit October April May September Clean white shirt are available in 7-11 s when karaoke all night and miss the last train.
Is this a bogus issue I thought the issues of beauty and aesthetics are not in the field of economics.
Economy incorrectly treats everything as if it were a matter of aesthetics see subjectivism.

Then you are wrong economics is the study of the value why it is so difficult Too many people and economists, forget it.
Americans are more individualistic and individualists are less concerned with impressing others; less likely to play or set up arbitrary rules; and less likely to spend time, effort and money on things that aren t personally important to This is consistent with the gradual evolution observed in the United States of a European sense of style to an American utilitarian sense style form follows function is compatible with utilitarianism and American style in general, and is seemingly unimportant in European style, at least in terms of clothing.
There is something to say about the bad guy sense of style in the Hunger Games here and the response of the heroes we choose not to play by your arbitrary rules.
Americans are encouraged to comply with a poor standard See also American anti-intellectualism.

In the port Pressed reasonably comfortable price, utility ,, simple clothing Why would it need a pressure pressured by Why.
I think you confuse anti-intellectualism anti-authoritarianism.
Yes, Americans are fairly utilitarian Enthusiasm tactics pants style in the United States is a good example of this Well, my friends tell me only 5 11 s are less durable than they used to be Blue jeans are another example.
Americans are more individualistic and so blandly uniform dress.

The same reason they are more likely to ride unadorned normal bicycles that unicycles, tricycles, bicycles or large 10 ft You can call two wheels, handlebars and seat height near butt uniformly bland height if you like, but sometimes it is just that what works for you is also working for other people and for the people who does desperately need attention, as well other art can add banners to their handlebars if makes them happy, and that art too.
Prima facie, the demand seems against-intuitive I agree that Americans are more individualistic, but I will cite evidence of homogeneity to argue that, on the contrary.
For me there is rather less individualistic Why Americans in this particular area Unfortunately, you seem reluctant to discuss dispassionately join instead of jeering kindergarden.
Echoing a comment I made on the punks back in the day and the update for other alternative styles through the years, all these mavericks expressing their non-conformity in the same way.
Okay, but is that really the mechanism behind the lack of American style.
I came to comments in the hope of an economic mechanism in the vein therefore not namecalling far, hopefully.

Panties and striped socks are fashionable so that is what I wear.
I think there is confusion here the americans have a style they just aren t as a mode My old roommate thought of me as a hipster because I had a semblance of contemporary fashion, I wear raybans knock-off and didn t wear baggy not jeans I wore tight jeans I wore jeans nonbaggy he clearly looked down on my fashion choices, but he had his own short game mode cargo Big rather tight fitting shirts, this which is a very common style.
The problem is, it is not a fashionable style; it is an ancient Americans are smart they dress very similar to each other, in fact, but they are not as fashionable Why aren t we as a mode that is a better question to answer.
So why do people in America not so much individual style at least outside of New York THE Portland, etc.

Apologies for the repeated comments about my own thread, I'm not thinking out loud here.
it may be as some people have suggested that people are more individualistic and there is less need to stand out; it already feels quite individualistic In large cities or in more important places of collective, there is more of a need to stand out and it comes to fashion.
Portland so full beard and flannel shirts long and shapeless dresses full ponytail for ladies is now elegant.
And full beard Flannel I do not think you were in Portland recently.
If you agree with the specifics is not the point.
I think it has to do with how we typically more children these big cars we drive, the Euros think is a crime against the sense and style, are really safe and can accommodate many biters ankle children are the reason why our money is going to function rather than style this car has a TV in the back to keep them busy with Spongebob instead of Italian design outside All that more income that we earn goes to college, braces, soccer camp, in China's toys we step on the way, when you have children, why bother to try more.

I think by elegant, it means a more visible consumption in clothes.
The triumph of the Nerds is longer in America In Silicon Valley, we have seen a gay guy on stage announcing the greatest product in the world, dressed as a young high school teacher.
There is much less high-tech zillionaires in Europe to define methods or non-fashion.
There are areas where it really makes sense to talk of Europe and then there are those where it doesn t.
Sense of style is perhaps that Europeans are smarter than the Americans, but the meaning of what defines the style differs greatly in Europe.
Take your Central European University Students of Eastern European countries can be easily recognized by clothing that could be expensive, but lack any semblance of style.

But in the same room dressed British and Italian and they look like they are from different worlds.
And then of course the girls Scandinavian cities Arrrrr.
So ignoring all generalizations that I have done, I would say that one really does generalize it should matter too.
Can t agree with your point about women in Europe dress style unless they are simply poor or extremely new money, they dress much better than the English women not to mention the fact that they are much thinner on average also, how can someone say class by their dress is in the UK is extremely shocking If you walk around Oxford, you will see many well dressed and pretty thin girls English Go Birmingham and its a different world the difference is not as big say between Prague and Brno.
The Italians have a natural sense of good taste, so agree with you on that one and the beautiful Swedish.
Again, these are just generalizations As for American women, I think that many of them are overweight can say they have little incentive to dress well doesn t matter how beautiful a dress piece of fat, it is still a piece of fat This is of course a gross generalization there are lots of pretty well-dressed American women although a negative side effect of the widespread obesity in America is that even professional, smart dentists and effective for American women, doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. are chubby as their European counterparts, even if they are well dressed he didnt look as good as I think because they are comparable to what they consider fat a lady working in McDonalds Chicago will be much heavier than the one that works in Moscow again, the difference in obesity between lower class and a mericans professionals is another shock.

Here in America, we have seen rapid change of style in clothes, hair styles, popular music and so on through the boomers in adulthood, when the country was homogeneous white and others were encouraged to assimilate, though most of the conflicts was generational eg on hair length in the 1960s.
Since then, the dominant ideology focused on diversity and multiculturalism, which tends to work against the change of generation and freeze styles because loyalty to the ancestors is so valued today.
White aren t supposed to be loyal to their ancestors, of course, unless they are part of a group of immigrants identifiable victims, like the Irish, but it would be difficult for whites not to respond to the spirit of Thus the age, the phenomenon of low waist much like a proud movement Crypto white dream of the 1890s is living in Portland.
Last year, I offered an explanation why grown men dress in America today much like slobs they did before the distribution of credit cards, using examples of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas to illustrate the turning point.
When American artists came into their own in the last half of the 19th, its pretty obvious that they prefer a more discreet palette-could it their European counterparts have a connection.
I tend to agree with the argument that it is common to most sampling bias for walking the most pleasant streets of Paris or the central parts of Tokyo and think everyone in France or Japan walked out of the right track, while everyone at home in Dallas or Atlanta is a super-slob I've seen similar arguments made by people who walk around the neighborhood five-star Beijing or Shanghai.

OTOH, I suppose, it is also a tiny Republican bias r far from having to look like an aristocrat, which is strongest in the US If you have lived in a country with a recent history of inherited nobility, you'll see how deeply republican Americans are against people in almost every old world Add to this Silicon Valley, where everyone wears polo shirts and best persimmons, and often shorts, T-shirts and flip-flops, and you got a fashion giant black hole.
This goes far beyond fashion porn actresses Take.
Europeans are thinner, less and less skanky tattoo and more stylish.
Americans are more likely to be inked, peroxide hair and look like they hang out with bikers.
Rising unemployment in Europe means that the porn directors have the choice of a better class skank.

The trend of European men wear light colored socks to work is certainly not a style I like to see this side of the pond.
Or maybe the scaling problems of this type are slightly more pronounced in the U S in Europe.
This may be true for the US median, but any theory must explain why places like Los Angeles pay more attention to style and fashion than other cities, like New York.
Nah, could not be that simple is it not enough of derogatory proles.
I agree completely come to comments mentioning that since I live in New York and see little if any benefit of Europeans on New Yorkers, but note as 1 2 no way to explain this and are probably the points more convincing, I came here to say that.

3 is disconcerting because it is quite circular Europe is fashionable because it is so close to Europe in fashion, Japan is also fashionable because, oh wait hm this work doesn t all.
Wait, I just thought of an area where the most elegant US Our young people have more tattoos we win.
Yes, it is shocking to say that if current trends continue continue Hume, a laugh at my expense dang blasted each person under 30 will be inked background.
OK, so I live in the San Francisco Mission District One of the trendiest OK coolest city parties, I am a 50-something English insert joke about what I know the style here, but I also lived in France for 5 years, and not in Paris that I noticed was that something would be fashionable in France about 4 years later in Britain and about 4 years after that we like saying was green and purple when I arrived and came to the United States later or leggings already passes by the time the US wore etc. so, I think it is definitional which is dependent stylish look then some pictures of the 70 if you do not believe me, and so will the influence from Europe to the United States and then the United States will be seen as unstylish urban black culture, it goes the other way, perhaps, but I do not think the typical European person is influenced as it is not enough ve nt face.
It's a balance in which the haute couture clothing is used for signaling In this balance, people notice how your costume appropriate, and use it to judge you; You, in turn, make an effort to bring the best you can afford, or better, to be judged favorably this is self-reinforcing.

It's a balance in which the designer clothes are not used for signaling daily; Indeed, where it's considered weird to care about high fashion clothing In this balance, since you even know how to read the language of the beautiful costumes, you may notice that your colleague is dressed different, bright or something, and think it's weird Because you care about clothes, you make an effort to look normal to avoid sending the odd shiny signal it is self-reinforcing.
Once you are in one of these balances, of course, you stay there for a long time It's no use trying to explain why Americans in a casual outfit right now, via a right if the transit of obesity Media We dress story going now because we have moved to a full office casual dressers; they were convenient because even casual; and so on at any given time there are decades of equilibrium involving James Dean.
Even, for example, the fragrance in the workplace, a woman wearing perfume would send a strange signal More expensive perfume does not improve the signal, it is a bit more weird Even with watches A 20,000 Breitling does not report strong nor did a 40,000 signals twice as powerful Vacheron They both report the same, uh, guy's got eight kilos of jewelry or something.
Anyway, I like the casual balance; jeans and button-downs are cheap, I spend durable, machine washable at least 0 1 of my income on hair care, dry cleaning and cologne all together So that means I can not use clothing to indicate my person of good taste, wealth, etc. report well, I could not this way if I wanted, because nobody's listening.
A very good comment It seems that this avid group spurs reactions outside group.
The next question, which initiated these separate balances was the difference in style as pervasive, say, the 1910s.

I think the population density has a lot to do with the people who live in cities tend to pay much more attention to what they wear that people who live in rural areas This is probably because attention to the dress style is an easy way to make a first impression, and you do many many first impressions on a daily basis in a city, and very few in rural areas and once is the established social norm, then there has more value in the following If you compare the dress of the average resident of New York, in the dress of the average resident of London or Paris, is still much better dressed Europe.
European architecture is much older than the US architecture and age adds character, I am not convinced new European construction is better than the new American-built Chicago has many beautiful in my opinion the modern architecture, for example.
If you read the blogpost related to the issue, the author refers specifically to the unstylishness New Yorkers.
When I lived in New York, I found it laughable that he considered himself a whole world capital of fashion dresses the same, it's like a uniform You can even break by ethnicity Most white wear Gap or Banana Republic and I was living in Spanish Harlem a predominantly black and Latino neighborhood, I was almost the only one not Rocawear or baby Phat, and before you get your panties in a twist, I realize that each person white, black or latino falls into these categories.
Each outfit is a variant of jeans and T-shirts Oh, except when they go to work to work, men will wear what they call, a trouser dress I think is a complete oxymoron, but whatever Show off me an American man who doesn t at least three pairs of these and I'll give you 5 72 of my bank account they'll team up with a button down shirt Americans distinguish the shirt has buttons, because they need to know in advance that it will take some effort to set As I said, the north American way is lazy, so wearing a shirt with buttons is a big deal.
And of course, everything is suitable sick, I think the concept of tailoring has completely escaped North American men's pants are always too wide Naturally, American men refer to a European-style trousers as gay because they are what they consider to be tight actually this is how your pants are designed to fit women's clothing on these shores never seems to embrace the correct form, but it will take time and effort to change things and that would affect the time they get to spend in their jeans and T-shirts, so why bother.

In New York, I am complimented on my clothes on most days, probably because I put a little effort into my style, but there's really no excuse to dress poorly in New York there are shops selling beautiful clothes that I want to emphasize that they import from Europe, but I guess JC Penney or other, is easier for most people that God forbid you make a little effort or out of uniform Gap.
And New York is Milan or Kyoto with the rest of America stylishness.
And that includes Los Angeles I walked by the restaurants and bars next to CBS Studios tonight and and starlets budding and production assistants were almost all dressed in bland, utilitarian clothes People in Los Angeles to work more than other places in America, but few carry the kind of fanciful clothes you see on young Japanese tourists.
Young Japanese tourists can dress elegantly, but those of middle age tend to look hilariously outdated even by Americans.

Oh, thank you hadn t clicked on the link; I suppose that was part of the problem.
I came from a blue collar background in rural Tennessee My observation is that fashion and signage in general increases the denser and more young people some time ago, I secretly spied a rural neighbor using the mower lawn to go up to his mailbox instead of walking Compare this to the area around the art school in the nearest town, where people spend a fortune trying to act like they are not cared absolutely not.
The America in general is older and less urban than other countries Japan is old but I honestly do not know why his perceived as stylish.
I'm going out on a limb here and say that it is because the average American does not give a rat's ass about what anyone else thinks of what they're wearing.

Cept all hipsters in New York, LA and Frisco, natch.
My work is very important WRITING, 100 million checks to private investment managers hf, pe, re, etc. My peers and I joke that guys writting checks wear jeans and get guys wear the costumes.
Of course, the guys who wear the suits are a hell lot more than I do not know where that leaves me.
I guess others have noted that fashion has an opportunity cost, and is usually a distraction in most cases.

Far from being more stylish, there are many places in Europe where an American travel and be forgiven for thinking that it is some 2-3 years time.
There are certainly places Italy, France, where people dress in clothes more expensive, however.
Part of the problem is among the people who can afford expensive clothes, it's bias here against bringing them to those who can not afford it, it seems that you're being a snob For many people who can afford it, it looks like you are trying too hard to be noted that you are upper class, or it indicates that you're new or insecure rich or both.
This particular hold in American society after the Great Depression and not just for clothes, but for wealth display in general do not want to rub that you are rich in the faces of others and even to people who are rich, it seems more insecure he is impressive.

This is so easy, it's not even funny Americans know that much better cultural expression can be done through the use of various drugs and spend accordingly expenses gun is a second position in the utility of cultural expression.
Once you have purchased your pills and your AK-47 and your 1911 s not much time for shopping for jeans.
Is it because more Americans are changing in class X. Fussell
I think the answer to the question of Tyler is in his definition of style in Europe, it's talking about, elegant is closely associated with clothing that signals both the wealth and the ability to subtly display, namely tastefulness, which I think in turn means the ability to master a basic personal desires self-control display, and its wealth of fruit born of hard work, selfless, and in future generations, the breeding of American elites style Tyler widely included share this taste, which is why they are more elegant Europeans, or at least the urban middle class, upper Europeans they met on tours and see the pictures of the New York Times, between trips across the pond.
trend-setters in the United States, in dress as in other regions, tend to come from a wider range of environments, and style here may signal a broader range of things, to a greater variety of public displays conspicuous wealth and association not elite groups with activities and sports team shirts is quite common, and hits the elites as basely Don t kid yourself, though, that these aren t styles popular in Europe and go to all the French name and you'll see this stuff everywhere.

In a country where almost everyone can dress in fashion, it becomes less of a problem as a high population density should correlate with more signaling mode.
I think some of it is our mentality suburb and we have our own little castle with walls and a moat and while inside we don t have concerns clothing We only need fashion at the output of the walls of the suburbs in the real world.
I'm really fascinated by this, and the fact that there are people for whom the store requires full makeup and outfit and others for whom the underwear and pajamas or is acceptable because the store is an extension their home.
You also missed that employers have realized that comfortable employees are more likely to stay longer than uncomfortable jeans and a t-shirt is much more comfortable at the eighth time of day that suits If I had a tie that I would have gone to 17 hours.
I spent a year in Glasgow recently, university student Women dressed horribly massive amounts of makeup, hair products, fake tan ugly dresses, generally along the thigh, ill-fitting, tight, coupled with strong tights 90 Scottish women dressed like this uniform Glasgow They may have spent more time and more money pick this stuff that my American classmates choose a t-shirt and jeans, but the T- shirts and jeans looked soooo much better too, most Scottish women were often too overweight to it wasn t something obesity as for me, I can not find shirts in the US that correspond They t shirts for sale lean tall men, which means I can t dress style closest I can find is shorter shirts for men, then roll the sleeves and get them done.
I'm not surprised at the disparity in the style described so if matter-of-factly that the Europeans and Japanese are smarter than the Americans as some parts of Europe still think fanny packs are cool I have trouble accepting the prima facie case.

As someone who lives in Japan, I think Americans dress a little better to be honest The thing is, in Japan, you often see the so-called free size that is one size, the problem is the Japanese women aren t the same size brands know, in order to sell things better everything has an elastic waist or a shapeless bag also sewing is not very common in Japan, designers exist, but especially for the costumes Get tops and custom dresses is very rare Oh, speaking of sewing, Japanese wedding dresses have the corset back, so everything is laced in your size, pure enough siren coincidence and slim line dresses are very difficult to find the concept of a bright professional fit just n exists here and if it does, elastic is involved.
I feel in America, people dress sloppy, but when you go the more expensive parts of city people dress very well and dress in ways that flatter their shape while in Japan, I feel like n I often see women with a resolution size they are usually covered and appear larger than they actually are.

Why Americans are less elegant-that American, European less elegant.

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